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This is so obvious but I don't think I've read about it anywhere.

It's pretty well understood in my circles, which involve a lot of disabled people and a lot of politics people, that disabled people get a lot of shit from the DWP.

Very few people realize how strikingly similar am experience immigrants can have in dealing with the Home Office.

There really are a lot of parallels. Look at this Guardian article I read today:

It starts right in the subhead.
the Home Office is driven not by reason but by keeping numbers down.
And it just goes on.
Not only is the Home Office understaffed and under-resourced as the result of public sector cuts, it is also under pressure to deliver whatever results the government needs to stand any chance of meeting its immigration targets
...
The guiding Home Office principle seems to be reject first, ask questions later, and in the meantime hope the applicant does not have the connections or resources to appeal. Immigration lawyers have told me that officials were at one point being incentivised, on the basis of how many applications they rejected, with Marks & Spencer vouchers.
...
the Home Office in particular, and the immigration system in general, has long made decisions not on the basis of merit or reason, but as a way of filtering out as many applicants as possible – either via exhaustion of resources or impossibly high barriers.
...
If the waiting or the rejections or the appeals don’t exhaust the anxious applicant, the costs involved in protecting themselves from the relentless machine surely will.
...
Already there are reports of EU citizens being questioned about their right to use the NHS, and concerns about poor and elderly people who may struggle to fortify themselves against whatever ultimate decision will be made about their status.
...
these deficiencies yield great consequences for ordinary people who suffer when a bureaucracy turns brutal. It has also revealed the extent to which immigration law is damaged by populist thinking and underfunding.
Having tried and mostly failed to get blood out of the stone that is the DWP, I don't relish dealing with another system that is similar in any way (and I heartily wish I'd been able to do this while Andrew still had a steady and quite healthy income, because I'm terrified of how expensive this could be... I know I Kickstarted the money for the application fee but, as this article alludes, anything that doesn't go perfectly smoothly will cost a lot more).

But now that Christmas is out of the way and I have a nice long stretch ahead of me where I don't expect to need my passport, it's time to put the final touches on my citizenship application and send it off.

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Date: 2017-01-12 04:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] subbes
let me know if you need a 1:1 ear to complain about the hideous bureaucracy of immigration & citizenship. i looked at the steps to bring my (US) spouse over as the family member of a citizen - should I flee Peesident T and return to the UK - and I'm still mad about it.

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Date: 2017-01-12 06:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] subbes

No problem. I can give you my Signal details (if you don't use Signal, check it out - end to end encrypted messages! I use it instead of SMS whenever I can now).

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Date: 2017-01-12 01:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nanila
Good luck with it. If you need any practical help (e.g. review of application) please let me know - it wasn't that long ago that I did it.

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Date: 2017-01-12 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belleweather.livejournal.com
This is amazing to me. On the US side, it is very, very hard to say no to an applicant for immigration, unless they're a terrorist or there is another criminal or security issue. The idea of being able to deny applications and hope people appeal is crazycakes to me.

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Date: 2017-01-13 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnesattva.livejournal.com
Xenophobia in the U.S. seems to be heading down the same kinds of lines, but is a few years behind the UK in this.

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Date: 2017-01-12 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mockduck.livejournal.com
:( Good luck.

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Date: 2017-01-13 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnesattva.livejournal.com
Thanks. I'm sure it'll be fine...eventually.

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Date: 2017-01-12 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gfrancie.livejournal.com
I had a straight forward case as an immigrant to the UK. And I had it much easier than most, but good god dealing with the home office was so exhausting at times.

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Date: 2017-01-13 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnesattva.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's how I've felt (and even written) about it so far: I think I've had about as easy a time as it's possible to... and it's still been so awful. It's really set back my mental health, among other things. And, as you can probably see here, continues to do so. :)

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Date: 2017-01-13 02:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] barakta
I hadn't thought of the horribleness in this way but you are absolutely right.

Wishing you all the best with your application. Sending strength, sanity and SPORKS.

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Date: 2017-01-13 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnesattva.livejournal.com
I hadn't thought of it consciously/explicitly until I read that article and kept thinking "DWP, DWP, yep, they do this too..." I think it might help because a lot more people understand the awfulness of the ATOS type system for disabled/ill people, and it might help people better understand the way immigrants are treated.

Not that there's a huge amount of sympathy/interest in how disabled people are treated, I know. But it's still a lot more than immigrants, IME.

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Date: 2017-01-16 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigtogiba34.livejournal.com
Sorry newbie here, are you looking to have dual citizenship or?

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Date: 2017-01-16 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnesattva.livejournal.com
Yep! I Kickstarted the money for it last year but had to wait until I didn't need my passport for a while to be able to send off the application, so I'll be doing that soon now Christmas is out of the way.

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Date: 2017-01-16 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigtogiba34.livejournal.com
Awesome I was just looking at your info to get reading and saw you had been there like 8 years and was wondering your status. Now I know! See I learned so much already.

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