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There's something delicious in proofreading a sentence criticizing a lyric that includes "someone whose job it is to work with words should understand the difference between the dative and the nominative" when it's not the dative case he's talking about, it's the accusative.

I try so hard to be a kind proofreader, because we all fuck up, but I think it's Language Log that have the rule that goes something like "if you criticize someone else's grammar, you're bound to make a grammatical mistake in the process of doing so"? And it just made me smile.

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Date: 2017-07-12 09:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jack
This feels like an occasion where an honourable ciritc would put "(my amazing proof-reader points out that I had this wrong...)" or something.

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Date: 2017-07-12 02:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] momentsmusicaux
Quotations or it didn't happen! :p

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Date: 2017-07-12 05:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] syntaxofthings
*snickers*

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Date: 2017-07-12 06:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] samanderson
I'm not laughing, honest!

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Date: 2017-07-12 09:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k
Your job title may be proofreader, but you're evidently equipped for copy-editor!

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Date: 2017-07-12 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] theandrewhickey
Sort of. It is the dative. Or at least, it's more dative than accusative. The sentence in question is "There's nothing here for you and [me]", "you and me" is an adjectival prepositional phrase, not the direct object of a verb.
Now, there's some argument about whether you can consider prepositional phrases as being dative or not -- in "I wrote her the book", "her" is definitely dative, but in "I wrote the book for her", people argue about whether the "for her" is really dative or not in English, because English is not at all strongly typed.
(I learned my grammar primarily from Latin, and in Latin it would be very clear -- "nothing for us" would be "nihil nobis", with nobis the first person plural dative of ego).
Now, in English we use the same word for both the accusative and dative cases, and *actually* most more modern linguists would say we're both wrong (see that Language Log rule again) and that there's no accusative *or* dative in English. They'd use "oblique case" to cover both (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_case#English )
You are correct in that the actual word is the same one we would use for the accusative. I was correct in that the part of speech it is being is the dative. And both of us are incorrect in that we should use the term which covers both when talking about English, rather than use terms more suited to Latin. So change it to oblique ;)

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Date: 2017-07-12 11:20 pm (UTC)
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Get a room, you two!

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