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Still typing on my phone (Andrew's got a new laptop but until it's set up needs mine 24/7 so that he can keep up a steady enough stream of Twitter) so I'll have to be quick.

I finally got to see last week's episode of Doctor Who and while generally I liked it (at first I was wary of the premise for how Russell Davies it sounded, but it didn't do too badly with it), there was one thought I had during it that has stuck in my brain.

So I don't think this is spoilery but obviously opinions on what counts as a spoiler differ. I'd say this is in the "it contained the following general types of plot device" category, but I suppose that might be up for debate too.

Because I'd seen a lot of people's reactions to this episode already, I knew one of them went something like "you can tell white people write Doctor Who because when he asks Bill why she wants to go to the future instead of the past, her answer isn't just 'I'm a black woman.' "

Similarly, I can tell the show isn't written by immigrants because it inescapably hinges on the colonists' assumption that they can be happy all the time because they're headed to this utopia that's been built for them where everything is perfect.

Even if it had lived up to those utopian expectations, that would not have stopped grief being there.

Moving so irrevocably away from home leaves you grieving for everyone you left there. Except in some ways its worse than if they died, because you know they're grieving for you too. Some people (if you're lucky, all of them if you're not) you will probably never see again, no matter how much you love them.

There'd be homesickness. There'd be nostalgia in the sense it was first intended, as a proper disease people even died from, as well as its colloquial meaning today. There'd be dreams about the voices of lost people. We're sometimes fine when contemplating the big things, but then cry because we remember the pattern on the dishes, the noise the door made when it closed, or the colors in the sky.

You couldn't have a colony without grief.

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Date: 2017-04-28 05:20 am (UTC)
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)
From: [personal profile] silveradept
Yes. There's no way that someone would be able to avoid unhappiness for everything. If that were a glitch in the system, it should have been discovered and ironed out. Or something.

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Date: 2017-04-28 05:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sfred
<3

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Date: 2017-04-28 10:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miss_s_b
Can I put this in GT for tomorrow?

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Date: 2017-04-28 10:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miss_s_b
And yeah, to the point of this: even if you are fleeing from war and horror, and even if you've brought most of your loved ones with you, there would still be things you'd miss, even something like the shape of the hills or the colour of the flowers

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Date: 2017-04-28 10:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Or just written by someone with massive privilege

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Date: 2017-04-28 01:56 pm (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
Really good observation.

I'm just back from a trip home, and after 32 years in Kent, not Durham, I'm still instinctively calling Durham 'home'. We did a trip into the local countryside while I was there and it's skylines and colours and wildlife that are right at some fundamental level.

I'm fortunate enough to be able to get up to Durham three or four times a year, but coming back to my theoretical home afterwards only seems to get harder.

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Date: 2017-04-28 04:34 pm (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
There's a Welsh term, hiraeth*, that sums up the yearning and loss very well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiraeth

* I don't speak Welsh, but my best friend is Welsh and has talked about it.

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Date: 2017-04-30 04:42 pm (UTC)
davidgillon: A pair of crutches, hanging from coat hooks, reflected in a mirror (Default)
From: [personal profile] davidgillon
Yeah, homesick doesn't really seem to cover it adequately, perhaps because 'sick' really doesn't have the nuance needed.

How are you with heights?

Date: 2017-05-01 06:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] po8crg
Because a trip to Cloud 23 might be good for you with the horizons thing.

Re: How are you with heights?

Date: 2017-05-01 08:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] po8crg
When Owen Street is finished, there's supposed to be a viewing platform up there somewhere (that will be twice as high as C23), but I'll happily take you to Cloud 23 and buy a few drinks if you need to see a horizon a long way away.

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Date: 2017-05-02 02:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skington
Surely this was the point the writer was making? This was a technocratic rush-job , organised and staffed by the survivors of a war, and it went horribly wrong until a benevolent Time Lord turned up, saved the day, and told the humans not to be so bloody stupid next time?

To me, it sounds like a standard government IT procurement snafu.

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